Susan had interviewed Kaufman, who was one of a few that woken me up to the nonsense of virology. Unfortunately there is not enough debate and the ones that exist is something I hoped Desmet's book would shed light into.
https://www.brighteon.com/08e2ac4b-461e-4852-b8cf-2c2bded2a1ea EyesIsWatchin Podcast #25 (Andrew Kaufman vs Judy Mikovits)
https://www.bitchute.com/video/Lhh9lZIuBJJB/ A Conversation with Judy Mikovits and Andrew KAufman, M.D. https://odysee.com/@DrAndrewKaufman:f/A_Conversation_with_Judy_Mikovits_and_Andrew_Kaufman_MD:0